Getting funding for software engineering in research is an ongoing challenge. The Research Software Alliance together with the eScience Centre in the Netherlands organised a 2 day workshop in Amsterdam on 8-9 Nov 2022 to see how we can get on top of it. In this latest episode of Code For Thought, Peter Schmidt speaks with Michelle Barker, director of ReSA and Joris van Eijnatten, director of the eScience Centre about the workshop and the declaration that came out of it. 

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