The team behind Hidden REF has launched a new podcast called What the REF?!. This podcast aims to discuss and investigate various issues surrounding research culture, recognition for success in research, and all aspects related to the REF. The goal is to encourage more people to engage with the REF as a driver for change in research culture.

Every fortnight the hosts will discuss new topics and talk with experts on the REF, research culture, hidden roles and non-traditional outputs. The hosts include familiar faces from the Hidden REF committee and the SSI:

• SSI Fellow James Baker
• Self-confessed REF junkie, Gemma Derrick
• SSI Director of Strategy Simon Hettrick

SSI Policy Researcher Ben Thomas is the producer of the podcast.

If you have a question about the REF or an idea for the podcast, get in touch at WTreF@hidden-ref.org, BlueSky or Linkedin.

You can listen to What the REF?! on YouTube or wherever you usually find your podcasts.